I haven't read Twilight, and I'm reserving judgment on it until I do. Unfortunately, I'm somewhere around 490 in the hold line on the book at the library. I think my sister is getting the series for Christmas (she hasn't read it, either), so maybe I can snag the book for a little while.Bigode wrote:Maj: might well be the case, but the romance subject of this thread seems to be not like that at all - and a major success. Thoughts?
Twilight: You've gotta be kidding me.
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Honestly, the more often you're bossing people around the more you wish you could trust someone to boss you around and take the burden off, so that makes a lot of sense from my perspective (yes, I fucking love it when a woman tries to tell me what to do; emphasis on try in public though).Neeeek wrote:Yeah, that's a little strange. Most of the strongest women I know are subs in bed. Wouldn't put up with any crap outside of bed though.Maj wrote:
Somewhere in this discussion, the concept of submitting while in bed became equated with the notion of submitting while not in bed.
There's such a thing as too much information. x-xCount_Arioch_the_28th wrote:and has my ex-wife's debating style (Most of our worse arguments were probably me displacing my frustration at my living situation on someone who argues like who I was stuck with).
Tho incidentally, my spouse was haranguing me on my debating style in bed this week.
-Crissa
In all honesty, I grabbed it earlier this week while Christmas shopping, for my nearly 12-year-old sister (at her request).Maj wrote:I haven't read Twilight, and I'm reserving judgment on it until I do. Unfortunately, I'm somewhere around 490 in the hold line on the book at the library. I think my sister is getting the series for Christmas (she hasn't read it, either), so maybe I can snag the book for a little while.Bigode wrote:Maj: might well be the case, but the romance subject of this thread seems to be not like that at all - and a major success. Thoughts?
I'll probably end up reading it, just to see first hand what the fuss is about. Thus far, the fan reaction has been much more interesting to me than anything I've heard about the series.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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I'm the king of TMFI, haven't you been paying attention?Crissa wrote:There's such a thing as too much information. x-xCount_Arioch_the_28th wrote:and has my ex-wife's debating style (Most of our worse arguments were probably me displacing my frustration at my living situation on someone who argues like who I was stuck with).
In this moment, I am Ur-phoric. Not because of any phony god’s blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my int score.
I didn't catch it in time - my mother got to the book first. Which is fine; I'm not really looking forward to reading it.
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This link is relevant to your interest.
The Gaming Den; where Mathematics are rigorously applied to Mythology.
While everyone's Philosophy is not in accord, that doesn't mean we're not on board.
While everyone's Philosophy is not in accord, that doesn't mean we're not on board.
OK. So I borrowed this book so I wouldn't have to wait at the library. I'm 150 pages or so into it (about a third of the way).
The story flows fairly well as far as writing style goes, but I can't stand Bella. According to my husband, she acts like a typical teenager, though he nor I ever acted with that "Oh, I just almost got hit by a car and landed on the icy pavement hard enough that I might have a concussion, but OH GOD don't haul me off on a stretcher!!! No!!!! I'm going to die of abject humiliation!!!!11!!!one" kind of attitude.
There is nothing this girl does - except cook - that she doesn't denigrate somehow. She won't say she's smart - she's just done the work before at her old school. She successfully flirts with guys, but calls herself inept the whole time. Everything in her life sucks. The way she describes her mother - pretty but flaky - doesn't jive with the notion that she and her mom are best friends. Her 'poor me' attitude is so ugly that if I were Edward, I'd just kill her and get it over with. I hope at some point that he tells her why he's attracted to her because the way the book is going, there's seriously no way I would ever believe that he would fall for her.
And I still haven't understood yet why the vampires are attending high school. Five of them. Just chillin'. They even do stupid stuff like order/bring lunch, then sit there staring at it until class begins again. When the bell rings, they just throw it away and leave.
On second thought, though... They are in Forks. Going to high school would seriously be the only thing to do during the day.
The story flows fairly well as far as writing style goes, but I can't stand Bella. According to my husband, she acts like a typical teenager, though he nor I ever acted with that "Oh, I just almost got hit by a car and landed on the icy pavement hard enough that I might have a concussion, but OH GOD don't haul me off on a stretcher!!! No!!!! I'm going to die of abject humiliation!!!!11!!!one" kind of attitude.
There is nothing this girl does - except cook - that she doesn't denigrate somehow. She won't say she's smart - she's just done the work before at her old school. She successfully flirts with guys, but calls herself inept the whole time. Everything in her life sucks. The way she describes her mother - pretty but flaky - doesn't jive with the notion that she and her mom are best friends. Her 'poor me' attitude is so ugly that if I were Edward, I'd just kill her and get it over with. I hope at some point that he tells her why he's attracted to her because the way the book is going, there's seriously no way I would ever believe that he would fall for her.
And I still haven't understood yet why the vampires are attending high school. Five of them. Just chillin'. They even do stupid stuff like order/bring lunch, then sit there staring at it until class begins again. When the bell rings, they just throw it away and leave.
On second thought, though... They are in Forks. Going to high school would seriously be the only thing to do during the day.
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My mother borrowed the book from Sheila and read it. Mom's a tolerant reader, but even she was moved to comment: "This girl is about stupid."
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
Twilight Sporkings.
More importantly, this might point a better alternative.
And remember, real vampires don't sparkle!
More importantly, this might point a better alternative.
And remember, real vampires don't sparkle!
Hans Freyer, s.b.u.h. wrote:A manly, a bold tone prevails in history. He who has the grip has the booty.
Huston Smith wrote:Life gives us no view of the whole. We see only snatches here and there, (...)
brotherfrancis75 wrote:Perhaps you imagine that Ayn Rand is our friend? And the Mont Pelerin Society? No, those are but the more subtle versions of the Bolshevik Communist Revolution you imagine you reject. (...) FOX NEWS IS ALSO COMMUNIST!
LDSChristian wrote:True. I do wonder which is worse: killing so many people like Hitler did or denying Christ 3 times like Peter did.
The sporklings is dumb.
Forks gets more rain than Seattle. There's a reason for it - Forks is on the west side of the Olympic mountains and Seattle is on the east and the rain comes mainly from the west. I'm sorry he's from a town that got less rain, but there really are places in Washington that get more rain than Seattle. Lake Quinault gets more rain than Forks, even, and I doubt he even knows where that is.
But aside from his dumb asides... Ugh. I get so peeved when people are wrong on things you can look up on the internet. There's so many things you can't look up on the internet to be wrong about instead.
-Crissa
Forks gets more rain than Seattle. There's a reason for it - Forks is on the west side of the Olympic mountains and Seattle is on the east and the rain comes mainly from the west. I'm sorry he's from a town that got less rain, but there really are places in Washington that get more rain than Seattle. Lake Quinault gets more rain than Forks, even, and I doubt he even knows where that is.
But aside from his dumb asides... Ugh. I get so peeved when people are wrong on things you can look up on the internet. There's so many things you can't look up on the internet to be wrong about instead.
-Crissa
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General opinion: I disagree and am not likely flaming you due to not seeing anything useful coming outta it.
Geography: it's asinine to assume that ... most of Earth's population (including me, incidentally) cares - that might be wrong, but I don't think anyone's using a sporking as turist information or that it detracts significantly from the hilarity. So, needs correction? Yes. Does that lower the quality in a meaningful way? No. If you'd actually be willing to point the error, if any, to her, she might well correct it.
Is anything not on the Internet these days (even if misinformation), though?
Geography: it's asinine to assume that ... most of Earth's population (including me, incidentally) cares - that might be wrong, but I don't think anyone's using a sporking as turist information or that it detracts significantly from the hilarity. So, needs correction? Yes. Does that lower the quality in a meaningful way? No. If you'd actually be willing to point the error, if any, to her, she might well correct it.
Is anything not on the Internet these days (even if misinformation), though?
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Hans Freyer, s.b.u.h. wrote:A manly, a bold tone prevails in history. He who has the grip has the booty.
Huston Smith wrote:Life gives us no view of the whole. We see only snatches here and there, (...)
brotherfrancis75 wrote:Perhaps you imagine that Ayn Rand is our friend? And the Mont Pelerin Society? No, those are but the more subtle versions of the Bolshevik Communist Revolution you imagine you reject. (...) FOX NEWS IS ALSO COMMUNIST!
LDSChristian wrote:True. I do wonder which is worse: killing so many people like Hitler did or denying Christ 3 times like Peter did.
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Enjoy your exception.fbmf wrote: Also, Ramnza is a fan of the series so i imagine she will make it into this thread when it is her turn to moderate.
FTR, she is neither Goth, chunky, nor Wiccan.
Likewise, my sister read the series on the basis of "just to see what it's about".
She is about 100 lbs, thin, fairly bohemian yet clean, and mildly Irish Catholic.
Wow, the movie was even worse than I thought. Got a free ticket from a friend and we decided to check if it was worth any camp humour and it sure as hell was. Nowhere near as humorous than zombie movies, but still.
Joe, who plans to own Newall's Plumbing Company, asked the presidential hopeful about his plan to increase taxes for some Americans. He felt that Obama's increase plan may redistribute wealth.
"Robin Hood stole from greedy rich people and redistributed it to the peasants, so to speak, so if he's [Obama] calling us peasants, I kind of resent that," -Joe the Plumber, a Republican.
"Robin Hood stole from greedy rich people and redistributed it to the peasants, so to speak, so if he's [Obama] calling us peasants, I kind of resent that," -Joe the Plumber, a Republican.
Crissa wrote:Why would you disagree that the sporkings was dumb?
Is it particularly smart?
What?
Sporking, chapter 1 wrote:This book is described as deeply seductive (can a BOOK be seductive?), sensual, and suspenseful!
Sporking, chapter 1 wrote:Then, she explains she loved Phoenix. Her mom speaks, and we find out the protagonist’s name is Bella. She asks Bella if she is sure she wants to do this, and Bella looks at her. There’s a very purple prose bit right here.
My mom looks like me, except with short hair and laugh lines. I felt a spasm of panic as I stared at her wide, childlike eyes. How could I leave my loving, erratic, hare-brained mother to fend for herself? Of course she had Phil now, so the bills would probably get paid, there would be food in the refrigerator, gas in the car, and someone to call when she got lost, but still…
I’m going to stop to throw up here. This is her mother- a GROWN woman! She can fend for herself! What did she do before Bella came along? Hm?
Sporking, chapter 1 wrote:THEN, we get an entire page of Bella angsting about how ugly she is. She has ‘ivory skin’, and ‘has always been slender, but soft somehow’. Yet, I still don’t get a clear description of her. All I know is she is pale and not beautiful. (Which of course means she's gorgeous and modest).
Sporking, chapter 1 wrote:Bella sees this group of kids who aren’t staring at her, and we get three PAGES of description about them. I’m not joking. Of course, they’re gorgeous and speshul. That’s why the girl who shares two classes with Bella got one sentence; she’s not pretty or speshul.
Now, I am not going to make you suffer through that, so I’ll sum up the three extremely painful pages in one sentence. Deep breath. Here is goes. OMG, they are like so gorgeous and hawt!
I just lost half of my brain cells.
I will say this, though. They have pale skin, faint shadows under their eyes, and dark eyes. Personally, that doesn’t turn me on, but I guess that’s because I’m average and not speshul.
Sporking, chapter 1 wrote:The same eyes, skin, blah, blah, blah, god-model-pixie-elf-like perfection (yes, it says godlike, modelike, pixielike, and elflike) They came to Forks a couple years ago from Alaska. They’re gorgeous, blah, blah, blah. Edward glances at Bella and makes her nervous. Also, Jessica claims he doesn’t date. You know what that means? Edward was singled out. He’s going to hook up with Bella soon.
Hans Freyer, s.b.u.h. wrote:A manly, a bold tone prevails in history. He who has the grip has the booty.
Huston Smith wrote:Life gives us no view of the whole. We see only snatches here and there, (...)
brotherfrancis75 wrote:Perhaps you imagine that Ayn Rand is our friend? And the Mont Pelerin Society? No, those are but the more subtle versions of the Bolshevik Communist Revolution you imagine you reject. (...) FOX NEWS IS ALSO COMMUNIST!
LDSChristian wrote:True. I do wonder which is worse: killing so many people like Hitler did or denying Christ 3 times like Peter did.
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sigma999 wrote:I think I'll just go read My Immortal.
Again.
Harry Potter fanfic, right?
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
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Hmmmmmmm somewhat. -_oMaxus wrote: Harry Potter fanfic, right?
It's relevant and actually not that bad compared to the first Twilight book (as much as I've read).
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Twilight is part of the Vampire archetype (obviously) but seems to cross over in to a realm of somewhat lost-but-not-forgotten archetype of Generic Teen Drama, something the Lost Boys hit very well not too long ago (but just long enough to be essentially unknown to most young teen Twilight readers, I guarantee)
This GTD archetype crosses with School/Student occasionally but I don't know to which extent Twilight takes it.
Might also include the Duelist (Martial and Monster) and Witch (dunno) but I couldn't get too far in to it before dry heaves and seizures of perceptual rejection overtook me.
If you mean me I've only read one chapter and barely at that; skimmed.Crissa wrote:How smart can he be, he read five chapters so far...
You do realize it was a deliberate trolling on Tara Gilesbie's part, right?
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I made it another 100 pages, and I just don't think I'm going to be able to finish this book.
Let me reiterate: I read romance novels. Back in high school, I went through the whole vampire fiction phase. I don't want to dislike this book.
I can't stand Bella. I really, really, really cannot stand Bella. My mom argued that Bella is able to be with Edward because she's not preoccupied with her gorgeousness and wonderful qualities, so she's able to step outside of her realm of comfort because she doesn't care enough about herself. But Bella is preoccupied with herself - just in a completely negative fashion. Her confidence in her lack of self makes her hideously ugly.
But I at least vaguely understand the justification for Edward's interest: she's his favorite flavor. Apparently, humans come in flavors much like wine or chocolate. Edward has been gifted with a taste for a really rare vintage, and hasn't met anyone yet who is actually what he wants. Until Bella. She's also gifted with the inability to be read via his telepathy, which innately makes her intriguing.
I'll give the series another shot in the form of Midnight Sun {OK, twilight, green}, the first book rewritten from Edward's perspective.
Let me reiterate: I read romance novels. Back in high school, I went through the whole vampire fiction phase. I don't want to dislike this book.
I can't stand Bella. I really, really, really cannot stand Bella. My mom argued that Bella is able to be with Edward because she's not preoccupied with her gorgeousness and wonderful qualities, so she's able to step outside of her realm of comfort because she doesn't care enough about herself. But Bella is preoccupied with herself - just in a completely negative fashion. Her confidence in her lack of self makes her hideously ugly.
But I at least vaguely understand the justification for Edward's interest: she's his favorite flavor. Apparently, humans come in flavors much like wine or chocolate. Edward has been gifted with a taste for a really rare vintage, and hasn't met anyone yet who is actually what he wants. Until Bella. She's also gifted with the inability to be read via his telepathy, which innately makes her intriguing.
I'll give the series another shot in the form of Midnight Sun {OK, twilight, green}, the first book rewritten from Edward's perspective.
My son makes me laugh. Maybe he'll make you laugh, too.
First: you weren't referring to a person initially. Second: even then, I sorta relate to people laughing at idiocy (even though I only do it when I can't make the idiocy go away, if you understand me). Third: it's a woman (though that certainly doesn't excuse Sigma from thinking it was about him).Crissa wrote:How smart can he be, he read five chapters so far...
"People always wonder what I saw (or smelled) in Bella. See, it's actually simple: since I'm 100 and still in school, I needed to find someone with an amount of fail at least close to mine." Sad part: I did that in under 1 min total, and I doubt the book's gonna measure to that.Maj wrote:I'll give the series another shot in the form of Midnight Sun {OK, twilight, green}, the first book rewritten from Edward's perspective.
Hans Freyer, s.b.u.h. wrote:A manly, a bold tone prevails in history. He who has the grip has the booty.
Huston Smith wrote:Life gives us no view of the whole. We see only snatches here and there, (...)
brotherfrancis75 wrote:Perhaps you imagine that Ayn Rand is our friend? And the Mont Pelerin Society? No, those are but the more subtle versions of the Bolshevik Communist Revolution you imagine you reject. (...) FOX NEWS IS ALSO COMMUNIST!
LDSChristian wrote:True. I do wonder which is worse: killing so many people like Hitler did or denying Christ 3 times like Peter did.
100 and in school in Forks, WA. Like WTF, man, that place is one big empty industrial lot in the woods. There's not even tourism there. Who goes to see clearcuts?
No one should even live there anymore. There's no farms, no mines, no beaches, nada but a few trees that can be cut once every fifty years or so.
Look, I've already totally seen the whole book torn into by ex-mormons. At least they're already fucked up enough to have cause to read the thing.
I really didn't like hearing my sister be all into it. "But it's fun. It doesn't matter that they're flawed. Flawed is interesting." Apparently the whole draw to the book is the mystery behind the characters that aren't described in the book.
Buh?
-Crissa
No one should even live there anymore. There's no farms, no mines, no beaches, nada but a few trees that can be cut once every fifty years or so.
Look, I've already totally seen the whole book torn into by ex-mormons. At least they're already fucked up enough to have cause to read the thing.
I really didn't like hearing my sister be all into it. "But it's fun. It doesn't matter that they're flawed. Flawed is interesting." Apparently the whole draw to the book is the mystery behind the characters that aren't described in the book.
Buh?
-Crissa